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Why do people hate smoke nades? I just got kicked from evo for using them

[mitsubishi]

there are two extremes, smoke haters and smoke misusers. they are both a lot; a lot of people hate them indiscriminately and a lot of people have no idea how to use them. some intermix the two e.g. some may use them in leagues but hate them in pubs because they don't believe anyone can use them correctly, they are probably wrong for that.

personally, i see a lot of misusers but i wouldn't mind if they were used a lot.

but e.g. the last experience of them was a ts players smoking our spawn (in our time he was) to pick up people passing by. that's just lame.

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mitsubishi, on 21 November 2009 - 12:42 AM, said:

there are two extremes, smoke haters and smoke misusers. they are both a lot; a lot of people hate them indiscriminately and a lot of people have no idea how to use them. some intermix the two e.g. some may use them in leagues but hate them in pubs because they don't believe anyone can use them correctly, they are probably wrong for that.

personally, i see a lot of misusers but i wouldn't mind if they were used a lot.

but e.g. the last experience of them was a ts players smoking our spawn (in our time he was) to pick up people passing by. that's just lame.

I was using them in Kingdom, to smoke bombsite for a rush. If I didn't have bomb, I went to bar, smoked bombside entrance, and pushed out.

[Shadowrunner (old)]

I find it as a legitimate tactic in any situation, given it is over-used or not. It changes the battleground situation, provides cover, etc etc...

However, spawn smoking from your own team is some straight up unnecessary BS in most scenarios.

I personally don't have a problem with people using smoke grenades, I try to take advantage of my allies or enemies using them.

[3spades]

The few good uses are outweighed by the gross misuse. The doofus who smokes his own flag and sits around with a thumb up his ass waiting for enemy to try and come in despite being down by 8 caps. The dust storm that happens when a team gets a cap because they smoked flag before so now they all throw 12 smokes before trying for cap 2. The idiots with nvgs who throw a smoke at a sniper alley and they don't even rush though the damn cloud. Yes thanks for smoking turnpike pillars and going back to camp your own red flag genius. The other dummies who counter enemy smoke with their own smoke. The teammate who sees you going into a narrow choke point and tosses a smoke so now you're up into a wall in any direction you turn trying to get out.

Its just so frustrating to see so much useless smoke when you're trying to kill people and get the objective.

[FS [FS] TwentySeven]

A suggestion I gave recently was that HE grenades should destroy smoke grenades and their surrounding smoke, sort of like a fast smoke clear effect.

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TwentySeven, on 21 November 2009 - 02:40 AM, said:

A suggestion I gave recently was that HE grenades should destroy smoke grenades and their surrounding smoke, sort of like a fast smoke clear effect.

I can see how that would work, though I doubt it would be used too much. The only major thing I can see is people HE nading commonly smoked passes BEFORE the smokes are laid, just to prevent it.

[Diggs (old)]

Rookies like smoke to hide. Seasoned players hate it because they can't see through it to kill.

[3spades]

Create a ghostbusters like backpack vacuum (primary weapon slot) that can suck smoke in. Hold capacity of 3 smoke nades and then has to discharge. I'd gladly gimp myself with a secondary weapon to use it.

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3spades, on 21 November 2009 - 03:08 AM, said:

Create a ghostbusters like backpack vacuum (primary weapon slot) that can suck smoke in. Hold capacity of 3 smoke nades and then has to discharge. I'd gladly gimp myself with a secondary weapon to use it.

Rofl. You could just charge up at spawn and then spray 3 nades worth of smoke right at someone xD

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3spades, on 21 November 2009 - 03:08 AM, said:

Create a ghostbusters like backpack vacuum (primary weapon slot) that can suck smoke in. Hold capacity of 3 smoke nades and then has to discharge. I'd gladly gimp myself with a secondary weapon to use it.

Strange contraptions are not required if the smoke wasn't thrown in the first place. Sounds like _nss wasn't listening to his mates.

[3spades]

_nSS, on 20 November 2009 - 11:18 PM, said:

Rofl. You could just charge up at spawn and then spray 3 nades worth of smoke right at someone xD

I was referring to capacity of sucking in 3 smoke nades worth of smoke. No reverse disposal as that is the antithesis of the whole idea!

[disabled [51] don]

I don't hate smoke, I hate people who use smoke. Most of the time it's thrown in a completely retarded place (like pillars on TP) which completely shuts down an offensive push. People who do that should be insta-banned, because they're as bad as the guy who sits in the spawn and legs his teammates. I assume anyone who throws smoke in an obviously bad location is trying to rage his team (typically it's the elitist newbie who seems more concerned about chatting with proper punctuation and explaining how he's using strategy, than improving his severely negative kdr). Now sometimes it does get near the enemy flag or spawn. That's a bit better because it's at least used like it should be, but still crippling as it's much easier just to kill the enemies around the flag. You're not helping by throwing smoke. The enemy has the advantage because they will charge through the smoke and have the element of surprise. I can't run through the smoke to get at the enemy, because I'll be running into the enemy's spawn. Throwing smoke is very selfish because you're assuming your team is also incapable of extracting the flag by actually killing the enemies. A proper smoking requires coordination. Your teammates have to know when and where the smoke is going. Grabbing a flag with smoke active requires a much different plan and positioning than shooting the way to the flag clear. Keep smoke to matches and scrims, where you can use it properly.

Let's not forget it also causes FPS drops, and if you die while priming, the smoke drops on your body.

[trip_wt (old)]

The thing that annoys me most about smoke is that you can't see AT ALL which makes getting out of spawns and around tight passage ways very frustrating.

If when in the middle of the smoke you could still see a short distance, enough to navigate out of a room or passage this would be much better. It would still hide most enemies except when they are in your face and so would still give the tactical advantages but without causing rage.

This post has been edited by trip_wt: 21 November 2009 - 04:34 AM

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don, on 21 November 2009 - 03:26 AM, said:

I don't hate smoke, I hate people who use smoke. Most of the time it's thrown in a completely retarded place (like pillars on TP) which completely shuts down an offensive push. People who do that should be insta-banned, because they're as bad as the guy who sits in the spawn and legs his teammates. I assume anyone who throws smoke in an obviously bad location is trying to rage his team (typically it's the elitist newbie who seems more concerned about chatting with proper punctuation and explaining how he's using strategy, than improving his severely negative kdr). Now sometimes it does get near the enemy flag or spawn. That's a bit better because it's at least used like it should be, but still crippling as it's much easier just to kill the enemies around the flag. You're not helping by throwing smoke. The enemy has the advantage because they will charge through the smoke and have the element of surprise. I can't run through the smoke to get at the enemy, because I'll be running into the enemy's spawn. Throwing smoke is very selfish because you're assuming your team is also incapable of extracting the flag by actually killing the enemies. A proper smoking requires coordination. Your teammates have to know when and where the smoke is going. Grabbing a flag with smoke active requires a much different plan and positioning than shooting the way to the flag clear. Keep smoke to matches and scrims, where you can use it properly.

Let's not forget it also causes FPS drops, and if you die while priming, the smoke drops on your body.

I'd ask about your opinion of it in bomb mode, but I'm scared O.o